tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post3605319833327410221..comments2023-08-19T06:19:28.990-04:00Comments on the nytpicker: Did The NYT Give Maureen Dowd A Free Pass On A Plagiarism Charge? Looks That Way.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-6650582261688730182010-05-24T09:39:12.625-04:002010-05-24T09:39:12.625-04:00Online plagiarism checker - duplicate content find...<a href="http://plagiarisma.net" rel="nofollow">Online plagiarism checker</a> - duplicate content finder.Plagiat Finderhttp://plagiarisma.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-65088836293591578682009-05-23T05:27:40.436-04:002009-05-23T05:27:40.436-04:00I'm the person who posted the comment under the Ju...I'm the person who posted the comment under the Judy Miller moniker and no, I'm not her. So you can take down the comment, if you like, or just change it to "Anonymous", but the point is still the same -- Maureen Dowd is covering for someone or trying to save face and the only thing that explains her evasive behavior is that she has an assistant writing the first drafts of her columns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-36796631004543444982009-05-22T15:52:41.164-04:002009-05-22T15:52:41.164-04:00this seems like a hang-nail to me - given the goin...this seems like a hang-nail to me - given the going along to get along even though we know it's wrong approach the last eight years and beyond of our emperors - so the question is who's wearing the emperor's new clothes - if so many people believe in something how can it be wrong - as a doc filmmaker i realized a long time ago everybody has a point of view and that the news is really the views - for better or worse what Dowd did was no better or worse then the charade the idiotcracy partnership between big biz as king, gov as queen and media and religion as the mistress - we are in the middle of a systemic meltdown of trust and this issue though about trust (and who knows whose truth is the truth anyway) is a distraction at best - why not put your intelligence and attention to more in-sightful and in-citing things<br /><br />"Our citizens may be deceived for awhile, and have been deceived; but as long as the presses can be protected, we may trust to them for light." --Thomas Jefferson to Archibald Stuart. 1799<br /><br />"The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Seymour, 1807. <br /><br />"It is a happy circumstance in human affairs that evils which are not cured in one way will cure themselves in some other." --Thomas Jefferson to John Sinclair, 1791.<br /><br />"The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:209, Papers 1:134 <br /><br />food for thought <br /><br />geo geller<br /><br />who's wearing emperor's new clothesUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14945250914996393858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-53750886695873234612009-05-22T08:16:10.301-04:002009-05-22T08:16:10.301-04:00To the above commenter who identifies herself as J...To the above commenter who identifies herself as Judith Miller -- please send some verification of your identity (presumably the Judith Miller who used to work at the NYT) to us at nytpicker@gmail.com as soon as possible. Otherwise we'll be forced to take your comment down. Thanks.THE NYTPICKERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14586823420394569667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-89159061049399637472009-05-22T07:55:28.969-04:002009-05-22T07:55:28.969-04:00I tried to make the same point as Amy Alkon's over...I tried to make the same point as Amy Alkon's over at the Huffington Post and they refused to post my comments. <br /><br />I believe that Maureen Dowd has an assistant who writes a first draft of her columns. That's why she's been evasive in her answers. Think about it....Maureen's assistant cranks out a draft of the column, does a cut and paste of Josh Marshall's blog entry and then sends it over to Maureen for her to put her finishing, snarky touches on it. That has worked well in the past but this time there was a screw up. <br /><br />It's clear that to save face Maureen Dowd would rather blame a nameless "friend" instead of admitting that she doesn't do any of the heavy lifting when it comes to writing the columns that bear her name.Judith Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-75531694930190643412009-05-22T01:30:21.569-04:002009-05-22T01:30:21.569-04:00@ Doug Henwood: Oh come on, man! The fact that it ...@ Doug Henwood: Oh come on, man! The fact that it wasn't an earth-shattering fact that was cribbed or piped from someone else is bullsh*t. An entire paragraph is NOT trivial under ANY circumstances nor in ANY respectable newsroom.<br /><br />Bragg got canned for less, IMHO. But the company hadn't realized they were only rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic yet...<br />Are you listening Hoyt? George (Freeman)? Bill? <br /><br />Suspend her NOW and maintain the last shred of dignity you have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-59032635514525947262009-05-22T00:25:19.263-04:002009-05-22T00:25:19.263-04:00It migrated to her column via an email, and she di...It migrated to her column via an email, and she did not know it was lifted from Marshall's blog. She thought it was her friend telling her those words and he gave her permission to quote them in her column, so she did. Without attribution to her friend, as he said he did not want any. Case closed. It was not plagiarism, it was sloppy column writing on deadline. They don't call it a deadline for nothing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-29415023579483831002009-05-21T14:50:14.971-04:002009-05-21T14:50:14.971-04:00One thing bothers me. I once had a fabricator on s...One thing bothers me. I once had a fabricator on staff, and it turns out he very smoothly finessed and deflected every query. Just like Dowd. I hope the Times is at least doing its own investigation. Google is free, after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-35395173619665787512009-05-21T12:32:38.794-04:002009-05-21T12:32:38.794-04:00I'm not a fan of Dowd's, but I find her explanatio...I'm not a fan of Dowd's, but I find her explanation acceptable. She had no motive to steal the words of another, and the chance of being caught is 99 percent -- and she would know that. So it was a mistake, and I think we all can be forgiven a few of those.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-51872264960461353012009-05-21T10:57:32.278-04:002009-05-21T10:57:32.278-04:00Oh please. This is so idiotically trivial. The "pl...Oh please. This is so idiotically trivial. The "plagiarized" bit is unremarkable and obvious. Who cares?Doug Henwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028573681945062117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-37732329538958218292009-05-21T07:39:07.809-04:002009-05-21T07:39:07.809-04:00Oh, I suppose it makes sense to continue hounding ...Oh, I suppose it makes sense to continue hounding her, but I think it's a bit tedious now. Do we really care how the words made it from one place to another? We know it happened and we know that plagiarism isn't the right word to describe what happened. <br /><br />I'm moving on because this is becoming too picky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-88439379009657571342009-05-21T01:21:51.865-04:002009-05-21T01:21:51.865-04:00I see no way in which this incident is not in line...I see no way in which this incident is not in line with the standards that the NYT has always embraced.<br /><br />I suppose it seems a bigger deal to Josh Micah Marshall because this time his work is being lifted. But it is not a departure from the NYT standards that have been established and which stretch back at least as Far as Walter Durranty's 1932 work.<br /><br />If anyone ever thought they were better than this, it is because they turned a blind eye.Solitudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17856579756945503030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-63117129233787899122009-05-21T00:13:13.782-04:002009-05-21T00:13:13.782-04:00Yes she should be suspended for this but that woul...Yes she should be suspended for this but that would mean that we actually live in a fair, sensible meritocracy. <br /><br />I'm not perturbed at all that the NY Times is coddling this careerist hack. <br /><br />But I do relish the fact that she knows that we all know what she is -- more lucky than bright.MartiniCocoahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12509335664000215080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-43200848133930182992009-05-20T19:14:25.761-04:002009-05-20T19:14:25.761-04:00Well done. And very fair.Well done. And very fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-74477130333301613722009-05-20T16:32:05.350-04:002009-05-20T16:32:05.350-04:00Since there's no further clarification by Dowd or ...Since there's no further clarification by Dowd or the NYT, it seems the truth (perhaps that she has assistants writing her column?) is worse than the obfuscation/apparent lies, or why wouldn't she tell it?<br /><br />As for the NYT, if you have ethical standards, they're not supposed to turn into lycra when it's in your financial interest.<br /><br />Finally, the use of lowercase letters for "i" and "josh marshall," etc., by anyone over 12 is disturbing, and bespeaks a certain unattractive laziness when the user is a celebrated middle-aged columnist for the New York Times. This laziness seems in keeping with whatever laziness allowed this line from Josh Micah Marshall to get into her column practically verbatim -- whether it's by somebody else doing the work that's bylined with Dowd's name, or for some other reason she refuses to reveal.Amy Alkonhttp://www.advicegoddess.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-23639901436131208072009-05-20T16:10:09.699-04:002009-05-20T16:10:09.699-04:00Whichever way you slice it, it's plagarism. Maybe ...Whichever way you slice it, it's plagarism. Maybe Dowd's "friend" should get the byline in the future. And frankly, while it probably is natural for columnists to kick around ideas with friends, I find it somewhat disturbing and disigenuous for columnists to sell others ideas as their own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8007635024151290238.post-38792782809653084102009-05-20T14:10:23.788-04:002009-05-20T14:10:23.788-04:00So the NYT gives its stars free passes? This is ne...So the NYT gives its stars free passes? This is news?<br /><br />That's how we know it's the Times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com